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[情报] 翻译:关于Ned Kelly

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发表于 2004-3-29 23:40:41 | 只看该作者
那偶就把那篇全文贴上来吧,好在也不长:
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第一篇
Old West, down under

Heath Ledger as a legendary 19th-century Australian outlaw  

NED KELLY With Heath Ledger, Orlando Bloom, Naomi Watts. Director: Gregor Jordan. At the Angelika (1:49). Rated R: Violence, brief nudity.

Legendary director John Ford would have approved of Gregor Jordan's Australian Western "Ned Kelly."

Ford's own Westerns are more or less defined by the last line in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance," delivered by a newspaper reporter to a man whose life he is immortalizing:

"When the legend becomes fact, print the legend."

Though Ned Kelly was a real person and remains an enduring Australian folk hero, the movie prints the legend - along with a bunch of other embellishments.

The result is a handsome, action-packed biographical drama with a credibility gap wider than the screen.

"Ned Kelly" portrays its Jesse James-fashioned hero as a man driven to bad deeds by constables intent on the ruin of his tight-knit Irish-immigrant family.

That may be true, but before they went after his family, Kelly caught their attention as a common thief, sometime rustler and regular taunter of the law.

By the time he was through - at age 25, dangling from the end of a rope - he had robbed two banks and killed two lawmen and had the Victoria state government sweating a revolt among its immigrant population.

Jordan and screenwriter John McDonagh, adapting a Robert Drewe novel, cherry-pick Kelly's actual exploits and blend them with the conceits of the traditional Hollywood Western.

One of the movie's two action set pieces, the shootout between Kelly's small gang and a posse of constables, is virtually reenacted from historical accounts.

But the second - the climactic showdown between the Kelly gang and 50 lawmen - takes a spectacular true incident and turns it into smoldering blarney.

The reality is that Kelly, the equally famous Joe Byrne (Orlando Bloom) and two others faced their enemy wearing full-body boilerplate armor. Only their arms, hands and feet were exposed, though one of them died when a bullet slipped between plates and hit him in the groin.

The only casualty among the police was Superintendent Francis Hare, who was shot in the forearm.

Hare, played with grudging respect by Geoffrey Rush, suffers the same flesh wound in the movie, but his troops don't fare nearly as well.

The film's most egregious invention is Ned's affair with a proper married Englishwoman (Naomi Watts) and mother of two whose failure to provide him an alibi sets him on his fatal course.

Watts gives as good as she's got in this role, but she sure doesn't feel like history.

Ledger has a strong, stiff-backed presence as the stubborn Ned, a man given to voluminous speeches, and Bloom - Legolas in "The Lord of the Rings" - is a dashingly mischievous Joe Byrne.

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第二篇:
Plied with fiction and short on depth, the new biopic of legendary Australian outlaw Ned Kelly plays like "Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid" without the excitement, charm and humor.

Bearded and brooding but otherwise uncharismatic, Heath Ledger stars as the folk-hero bushranger (Aussie for "cowboy"), who according to this film was an upstanding citizen of the Outback frontier until contemptible, crooked, downright sinister lawmen drove him to a life of crime by picking on his family.

They jailed his ma, molested his teenage sister, and falsely accused him and his brothers of horse rustling. They "started a war" against us, Kelly says in voice-over. "So I killed their coppers. I robbed their banks."

But apparently he did so only as a down-under Robin Hood, if you believe the scene in which Kelly demands one of his gang-member brothers give back a pocket watch during a hold-up, scolding that "if we act like common thieves, that's just what they'll call us."

Actually, Ledger's best moments are when he's railing against injustice. But if this film weren't based on fact, there would be little to hold one's interest. There's so little spark of life in the rote performances that even magnetic Orlando Bloom ("Pirates of the Caribbean," "Lord of the Rings"), playing Kelly's lieutenant Joe Byrne, seems gray and nondescript.

The same is true of Naomi Watts as a married Englishwoman with whom Kelly has an obligatory, incongruously modern (i.e. sexed-up), movie-shorthand romance, and of Geoffrey Rush, who has a strangely lackluster role as a tracker leading a phalanx of police in dogged pursuit of the Kelly Gang through the Australian wilds, even setting a forest on fire and poisoning a stream just to flush them out.

Directed by Gregor Jordan ("Buffalo Soldiers"), who does have an eye for beautiful vistas (or maybe that's just cinematographer Oliver Stapleton), "Ned Kelly" picks up a bit as it builds toward the showdown that made a legend of the man. The bandit's cleverness finally comes into play as the gang corrals all the civilians to safety (or so they think) at a remote outpost and sports homemade steel armor (helmets, chest and leg plates) to await a train full of cops for an all-night shoot-out. But coming in the last 10 minutes, it's not enough to save the film anymore than it's enough to save the Kelly boys from their fate.

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又仔细研读了一遍,感觉这两段话都是在评价他们的角色而不是他们的表演。There's so little spark of life in the rote performances that even magnetic Orlando Bloom ("Pirates of the Caribbean," "Lord of the Rings"), playing Kelly's lieutenant Joe Byrne, seems gray and nondescript.偶觉得意思是这样的:因为没什么表现机会,所以Joe这个角色即使是“magnetic”(偶也觉得这个词大致相对于富有吸引力的意思)的OB来演,也显得苍白无味。
47#
发表于 2004-3-29 23:42:08 | 只看该作者
以下是引用mursili在2004-3-29 23:32:50的发言:
应该是浊酒大那么理解没错,偶还看了另外一篇文,也是提到OB在Kelly里的扮相不好,没有之前的角色有吸引力。


如果光指扮相,这就转向为审美观问题了

俺现在倒不在乎对OB的扮相的看法,还是演技表现

反正在俺这,已花痴到煤堆里扒出来的OB都好看的地步
众人:风紧扯乎,这女人彻底疯喽
48#
发表于 2004-3-29 23:51:10 | 只看该作者
说起小白啊,真是什么地方都有呢。ROTK在得11个小金人之前也没见多少批评,奥斯卡上风光无限之后立即跳出一堆什么“大烂片”啦,“只有场面”啦之类的,仿佛不和奥斯卡唱对台戏就不能显示出自己的审美观多么高人一筹来。尤其是什么“我看指环王都看睡着了”,好像没被这样一部影片吸引是一件很荣耀的事情一样。今天还遇到一个。本来还想和他说几句来,后来一想,算了,没空。

至于OB的扮相问题,偶也不怎么在乎啦。反正各种各样PP的OB也见识了不少了,换个造型换个口味也不错:P。偶更关心他的表演的说。
49#
发表于 2004-3-29 23:52:38 | 只看该作者
以下是引用flyfrog在2004-3-29 23:40:41的发言:

又仔细研读了一遍,感觉这两段话都是在评价他们的角色而不是他们的表演。There's so little spark of life in the rote performances that even magnetic Orlando Bloom ("Pirates of the Caribbean," "Lord of the Rings"), playing Kelly's lieutenant Joe Byrne, seems gray and nondescript.偶觉得意思是这样的:因为没什么表现机会,所以Joe这个角色即使是“magnetic”(偶也觉得这个词大致相对于富有吸引力的意思)的OB来演,也显得苍白无味。


结合全文看了一下
觉得这两篇的主要意见还是对电影整体,导演方面,剧本方面的不足提出的

比如Naomi Watts扮演的KELLY的情人-----那位英国少妇
Naomi Watts因中的表演得了今年的OSCAR最佳女主角提名,她的演技确实不错,但她在KELLY中的表现,也是褒贬不一,许多人认为她演得不算差,但她这个角色是这部电影最不合理的地方,同时是最大败笔-----这点我认同,KELLY的这个情人角色出现是莫明其妙,唯一的好处是通过这次合作,现实中这两个人成了情侣--------八卦的俺啊

而There's so little spark of life in the rote performances that even magnetic Orlando Bloom ("Pirates of the Caribbean," "Lord of the Rings"), playing Kelly's lieutenant Joe Byrne, seems gray and nondescript.
俺也认为可理解为:Joe这个角色即使是“magnetic”(偶也觉得这个词大致相对于富有吸引力的意思)的OB来演,也显得苍白无味。

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发表于 2004-3-29 23:54:14 | 只看该作者
偶也是“煤堆”派的~
反正就是这么回事,要看OB小脸的,肯定对大胡子深恶痛绝;要看OB演技的,一见到他白白净净没胡子花瓶大帽子就扣下来,碰上这两派不能自我调和的,Orli咋演也米用,寒~
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 楼主| 发表于 2004-3-29 23:55:56 | 只看该作者
主要是,有些小白是故意跟人唱反调,典型的大家认为好我就要踩两脚的那种,行文里处处露出那种小学三年级以下的文化水平(偶不是很了现在的小学生了,说不定偶在给小学生抹黑),唉,偶还奇怪这种人也能打字涅……偶是不介意砸两下啦,能这么痛快的贬人也挺好玩,不过觉得认为这种人是可以挽救滴未免有点天真啦!

还有fans的问题,啧啧,其实网上有些对lotr的批评还是言之有物的,偶很不喜欢有些fans只要人家一提出点疑问就只会说一句,去看原著……呵呵,说实话,偶尝试了很多次也没看完原著小说,偶觉得老托说话比较罗嗦,但是这也并不妨碍偶理解和迷恋魔戒电影啊!

网上有人说一部不看原著就看不懂的电影不是好电影,偶觉得是有道理的……就像外语片,you don't have to speak a language to understand  a great film……
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 楼主| 发表于 2004-3-30 00:01:48 | 只看该作者
以下是引用浊酒在2004-3-29 23:42:08的发言:

如果光指扮相,这就转向为审美观问题了

俺现在倒不在乎对OB的扮相的看法,还是演技表现

反正在俺这,已花痴到煤堆里扒出来的OB都好看的地步
众人:风紧扯乎,这女人彻底疯喽


偶今天算是见到了,专业的也照样有那种奇妙审美的,一看就知道那哥们狂喜欢OB小莱的扮相,嗯,十有八九是个女的……


[此贴子已经被作者于2004-3-30 0:04:07编辑过]

53#
发表于 2004-3-30 00:20:38 | 只看该作者
以下是引用月月在2004-3-29 23:54:14的发言:
偶也是“煤堆”派的~
反正就是这么回事,要看OB小脸的,肯定对大胡子深恶痛绝;要看OB演技的,一见到他白白净净没胡子花瓶大帽子就扣下来,碰上这两派不能自我调和的,Orli咋演也米用,寒~


MM这话有一定道理,可怜的开花,过来,妈妈抱抱
俺这疯女人被众MM打倒在地
54#
发表于 2004-3-30 00:24:24 | 只看该作者
确实,所以才称他们为BC
这类人就是无聊,人生太顺,知识太少,或高分低能,家里宠得太过,欠骂少揍,不知人生疾苦,急须锻炼

网上啊,真是什么人都有,或说把每个人好的一面不好的一面都无限扩大
但俺觉得,心态好的人,在网上,也不会成BC或痞子样

扯远了,怎么成BC探讨会了

十二点了,該下了,MM们晚安,反正,对KELLY中OB的表演,俺还是喜欢的
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