某看了TROY试映的人的看后感及其它

浊酒

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17009
反正是说到OB就没好话

一提到OB,全名都懒得说,直接说莱格拉斯,在俺的理解看,这里用"莱格拉斯"来指OB,不是什么好的意思,就是说OB只是运气好,凭这个角色而走红,作者对此充满不屑.

后面回貼的人还有这么说的:  By the way, and more seriously, I still wonder what`s with all the hype regarding Orlando Bloom... of course he may be appealing to those ultrafag Hollywood cyborg execs coated with Gucci wear, but the guy simply just can`t play in a natural way... he always has to beef up his acting in such a theatrical fashion that he sounds campy.

关于舞台表演痕迹过重的说法,如果指的是这句,(汗,俺英语不是太好)以俺看来,说这个话的人对OB先入为主的印像就很差

那个地方的貼,我草草看了一下.
笑,感觉已经开始吵群架了:
有人说,写看后感的这个人完全是出于某种习惯看见OB就骂
还有人说,PITT在其中有祼露的床戏,PITT是XX(很不好听的污辱性词语)
对BANA的评价总体都不错.(这是意料之中,这部戏,真正捧的肯定是BANA,而且他也能胜任)
PITT和OB就有人骂,也有人为他们说好话
可能那里男性较多的原因,对于受女FANS欢迎的男演员嘴下是客气不了哪去

我在别的地方看过其它的评论,有个人说OB不好不是因为他演得不好是因为角色不好(笑,什么意思,把PARIS演成大英雄才成吗?)
汗,反正那老兄的话也是驴唇不对马嘴,都不知道他到底想表达什么.
如果演得不好,是哪里演得不好,表情僵硬动作呆板啊,还是像根木头一样站在那里~~倒是说出个理由来,上去很不屑的骂一通,没什么说服力

不管如何,等电影上映,还是自己看比较保险,对于那些可能连原著都没看过,试映时对着HELEN的胸流口水的男人来说,他们的话,呵呵呵



还一个关于OB在西班牙拍天国的消息:
British director Ridley Scott continues in Spain the shooting of his latest film, The Kingdom of Heaven.

Today he is working in Sevilla in the Casa Pilatos . A crew of over four hundred people has taken over the Andalusian palace to recreate the story of love and adventured starred by Orlando Bloom.

It is said that The Kingdom of Heaven may be the most expensive movie in film history, with a budget of 200 Million Dollar; it is also one of the most secretive ones- The fans that are gathering in front of the Casa Pilatos in Sevilla have not been able to see their idols even from afar and the press has been kept as far away as possible. Only with Paparazzi tactics it has been possible to match a glimpse from genial director Ridley Scout supervising the shooting; or even from British actor Orlando Bloom (who plays a Christian soldier during the Crusades) and is being pursued and acclaimed by teenage fans.

Today, actor Jeremy Irons has joined the filming and has been seen revising his script few moments before.

Among the fans waiting at the entrance of the Casa Pilatos are some girls that confess to have been waiting since early morning for three days and that they did the same in Palma del Río (Córdoba), where they weren't able to see any of their idols either.

One of the fans of Orlando Bloom said that she was extremely disappointed that the actor hasn't approached the fans even once.

Ridley Scott and his crew and cast of four hundred has already finished shooting on location in Navarra, Segovia, Ávila and Córdoba. In Sevilla , besides Casa Pilatos, converted by the magic of moviemaking into a palace of Jerusalem, they will start on Monday filming in the Real Alcázar before the crew moves finally to Marrakesh. The final result is scheduled to be released in theatres in January 2005.

西班牙电视台对此有相关报道:
视频见这个网址: http://elflady.com/legolasgreenleaf/multimedia/kohclips.htm

笑,开花这戏服,真是星星啊星星,一闪一闪亮晶晶,笑死我了

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-2-15 21:01:05编辑过]

枝俏

看见了这些人的贴

要打起来了

不过这仁兄真看来是满肚的酸水啊

Federica

翻译啊，哪位好心人帮忙翻一下吧

浊酒

就是有个人看了TROY的试映,看完后上网写了篇看后感

夸了BANA一通(不过,BANA是值得一夸)
损了OB一通,说他就是花瓶,没什么戏份,出场就是为了引出别的人物
对HELEN大姐的胸部,这个写看后感的小男人还流了半天口水

总之,觉得此人一来好色,二来对OB,就压根没好感
后面有人回贴说不明白OB为什么这么受HOLLYWOOD的重视,认为OB没演技之类
反正损到OB时,口气都酸得可以

也有人损PITT,说PITT又有床戏,是蠢驴之类的
后来当然有人回貼为PITT和OB鸣冤
感觉吵成一锅了

至于西班牙拍,那个报道就说在某个小鎮之类的,好多FANS在现场等着去看开花.(不过可能没看见)
说的投资很大

bluemoon

Dear 濁酒 JJ ,

Thank you.

Do you know Spanish?

daniel

不必为那种人生气，那人又不是专业影评，只不过一个走狗运能看到troy试片会的观众而已，不过话说回来，就算专业影评人说的话，大家也未必会当成金科玉律那样捧着吧，呵呵，so放宽心，偶现在突然坦然起来了，无论如何偶是要亲眼看了troy后，亲自对OB作个评价

下面是IMDB上一个也看了troy试片会的观众的部分感受，并不专业，可比较客气，嘿嘿
First things first, I personally had a hard time buying Brad Pitt as a top dog warrior !! Sure you can tell that he buffed up somewhat for this movie but he is still on the slight side compared to alot of the other warriors in this movie and they portray him as this god like warrior. I bought into Russell Crowe in Gladiator alot more than I did Brad Pitt in this movie. That being said, I still feel he gave a pretty good performance. I just think he might have been slightly miscast. I feel that Eric Bana was very good as Hector as he had to go through alot of different emotions in the movie. Orlando Bloom was pretty good but played kind of a wimpy character so it's hard to judge. Peter O'Toole was great in his role. Brian Cox seemed to me to over do it in his role so I would rate his performance as the worst. In the actress category I would say that Rose Byrne gives the best performance mostly due to the fact that she has the most screen time as Brad Pitts love interest. I do think that Diane Kruger is beautiful but she really isn't given alot to do in her role in the movie. Saffron Burrows suffers the same fate as Diane Kruger although she is also very beautiful as Hector's wife. I liked Julie Christie alot but she is only in the film for a minute or two.

看了这么多的说法，我个人认为，troy里角色太多，3个小时看来是不够时间很深刻的诠释某个角色，而hector这个角色比较讨巧，有比其他角色多的机会表现，既可以表现英雄豪迈又有各种不同的情绪处理，而看了bana在黑鹰中的英雄表现和绿巨人中那种复杂暴躁的情绪的诠释，呵呵，他一定是能胜任hector的，而其他人，光从上面那段英文看，OB表现也不算差啊，不过由于paris这个角色个性的限制和OB在电影里的戏份来看，估计出彩的可能性不大，汗~~
不过也不一定，象paris这种有个性缺陷的角色也许能有机会出彩，不过观众可能不会喜欢这种个性的人物，看来要看看比较专业的电影人士的评价，狂汗~~~发现自己现在说话自相矛盾
不过还是等电影正式出来的时候，大家可以好好的讨论一把了，呵呵，偶现在真的好期待Troy了

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-2-16 10:12:22编辑过]

Federica

谢谢浊酒大人，体贴啊。
有人说不好也很正常啊，有人喜欢就有人不喜欢嘛，那人评论的话语中的醋意也隐隐可见。等影片公映后不就知道OB到底演得怎么样了吗？相信自己的判断啦。

浊酒

楼上MM不用客气
俺也只能看个大意,具体译的话,恐怕就不行了

TROY,俺倒是越来越想看啦

他们爱骂就骂去,反正有些人也是踩OB踩成习惯了,谁叫咱们开花踩起来脚感好呢

至于花瓶之说,笑,别说OB了,他前面的几位,TOM CRUISE, BRAD PITT ,哪个没被人这么说过.
(这两位,也出道十几二十年了,到现在这么说他们的声音也没有消失,但喜欢他们的观众依然喜欢他们,笑,让偏见---见鬼去吧)

其实,一个演员有票房号召力,不在于他非得是什么演技大师,观众喜欢看他的电影就是成功,有时候,个人魅力是很重要的.
俺倒觉得,毕竟这世上天才还是少数,比如几个老戏骨,也不见得是从一开始就演得有今日炉火纯青之势,阿尔帕西诺又如何,他当初拍时,差点被换掉,后来兴好他演着演着找对了感觉,才没被换角,如果当年他没走出瓶颈,现在,恐怕就没他这号人物.
演戏和写作什么的一样,人人学学都可以做,但做得好不好,就要看天份和后期努力了

说PITT没演技,我不同意,就正如说OB一无是处一样
当然,俺认同OB是看着显嫩,但他的进步也是确实存在的.
关键是,他作为一个新人,在公众的目光里,一步步走向成熟,而这个过程,有非议,有不足,恰恰是正常的
电影界从不少好看脸孔,这些被人讽为花瓶的人能成功,也不是一张脸能决定的

还是亲眼看了TROY再说, 退一万步讲,就算OB一直没长劲,还越演越差又怎样,喜欢看他的人还是会看的,而不喜欢他的人,他演技再好,恐怕也不见得会改变态度.
萝卜青菜嘛  

昨天看到了这帖粉是郁闷。
今天又看了浊酒JJ的帖有豁然开朗之感哪~~~亲~粉喜欢呀~说得好！赞！！JJ好像想通了嘛~~偶看了JJ的帖也通气许多呀^-^8那么郁闷了~~

还有JJ门的E文都8错地样子，没有你们的大意，偶得读死。（这还读得粉郁闷呢~偶糟糕的英文哪~~）
还有JJ8能那样退一万步说呀，要是orli真米长劲，喜欢的人也看腻了，咋办？那orli真成过气星星了，8好吧~~8过JJ这是气话吧，能看出JJ对orli的喜爱之情呀~~，也许JJ真的就算orli愈来愈差劲也会一直喜欢吧~~粉喜欢听人这么说呀~~（虽然有点不理智）JJ真的粉喜欢orli呀~~（偶都能感受到^-^)，愈来愈喜欢JJ了！亲~~:p

PS:现市面上有ned kelly的不错版本的碟了（昨刚收的）,欧洲也上映过了吧,各位看过的JJ觉得开花在那里的表演怎样呢？在别的坛子里看到有人说开花的表演不如西斯.莱杰，不过也指出毕竟这部片子就是要表现西斯莱杰。大家怎么看呢？

浊酒

OMG````楼上朋友的话

难怪有老话"最难消受美人恩"俺算明白啦~~~
难得你想得这么细,俺自己肯定没想这些,而且------放心啦,俺压根就没生气,把这些评论挪过来就是想让大家也看一下
俺没心没肺的一沷皮破落户,反倒让楼上MM担心了,真是罪过

PS:至于演技好坏,看个人看法了
觉得差就差,觉得好就好
人人有自己的观点

NED KELLY,俺也买了,没功夫,还没看呢

[此贴子已经被作者于2004-2-17 23:12:38编辑过]

浊酒

笑,关于电影TROY传言:最后PARIS没死

不要啊,还是死了滴好
不死不足以平民愤

而且不死的话,让他和海大姐快乐的找地方过小日子去,也忒恶俗了

IDMB上有人发貼大叫:PARIS MUST die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
然后还有人回:yes, yes he must!! I want Orlando to have a death scene "worthy of remembrance"!! (even if it is a pathetic one)

群众的眼睛是雪亮滴,俺说导演和制片还有电影公司那一堆东东啊,好歹让PARIS死吧
真是,他不死,俺们多失望

legendlack

呵呵, 开花踩起来脚感好, 楼主真是幽默哈,pfpf

如今到处泛酸的老男人似乎越来越多, 不少人刚听到, 年轻, 帅哥, 身材好等字眼形容的ob, 连他是谁都没搞清楚呢就忙着开骂了, 无聊的很阿. 反正随便阿, 谁在乎他们的废话呢? 呵呵, 大家开开心心的看开花就好了咯

不知者无罪

我觉的与其在海大妈的淫抓下苟且偷生，
部如英勇就义
还可以赢得一帮MM的眼泪

导演阿！我们知道开花贵
但也不用这么照顾他吧

没死就俗套了

Federica

《NED KELLY》的主角是西斯。OB只是一个相对比较重要的配角罢了，所以受关注度不高也是正常的。而且想看干干净净的OB的MM们一定会失望的。结局也比较郁闷——都死光了。

独孤小嘉

《NED KELLY》在我们那里卖的还是不借的。据我的观察，有不少人是冲着OB去买的，还是人说OB演的比斯出彩，主要是那部戏有点沉重，OB的角色活跃了气氛。不过他死的实在太可怜了。