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作者: orchi 时间: 2004-5-13 01:03
标题: 贴个imdb的TROY评论－批评电影，表演开花

Summary: the funniest epic ever

Now now, let's not all be so glum about it. I was at a free movie screening
last Tuesday and needless to say, the whole theater kept errupting in
laughter. One of the funniest epic movies ever made... Hilarious because of
it's unintentional comedy.

What can I say? The screenwriters were horrible! The directing, I guess,
shouldn't be blamed, I mean those fight scenes were pretty good. And all the
male nakedness could almost more than make up for the lack of pretty much
whatever it is that makes the Iliad such an wonderful book.

They do not make you understand why Glory is an important part of life in
Ancient Greece. This is why we all started bursting into ridiculous laughter
when Achilles thinks of choosing between living and having a family with his
mother seeing him again and dying but living on with the Glory. Bad bad idea!
It makes him look like an idiot, not the hero he ought to be.

Another, milking too much of the romance but letting the love story drop. It
is not good! First of all, Briseis was not the cousin or the temple virgin.
She was conquered and was war booty. The heart-felt parts were not heart-felt
at all. The lines were terrible! It was just soooo inappropriate for the
scene.

THE RAGE! The rage of Achilles... what the heck, it makes him look like a
moron! No love set up before he moots and things are so quickly changed...
WHERE THE HECK IS LITTLE AJAX??? It was sad...I really was hoping for little
Ajax to come along.

THE MOST POIGNANT PART OF THE STORY WAS CHANGED! I'm talking about Book 6
where Hector says goodbye to his family... whyyyyy oh whyyyy did they change
that?! You all will see.

And Hector. Don't get me started. Eric Bana looked great and all but he just
didn't give emotion. He spoke and he acted, but he did not feel. His eyes are
left wanting...

And then the Patroclus... *sigh* I was so disappointed... What's the deal with
him looking so young? they're supposed to be best of friends. And this young
thing... I couldn't stop laughing when I saw Aeneas. He looked 16 dragging his
father and where's his daughter and Creusa???

I'm sorry. This girl Helen... HORRIBLE HORRIBLE depiction of her. Why did they
hype her up so much?

[B]I must say, however, BRAVO ORLANDO BLOOM. Although I did not appreciate the
Legolas revival in the end (which I can forgive since it was part of the
story... however it just didn't fit), he portrayed Paris as he ought to be.
The ridiculously beautiful hunk of a man who was a complete wuss. I soooo felt
the emotion, his innocence, his lover-not-fighter status and all his aesthetic
beauty. He got meaty for this one! ORLANDO BLOOM, I SALUTE THEE![/B]
我必须说，orlando bloom太棒了。虽然我不喜欢最后paris变的象legolas般（我知道那是故事的一部分，但就是觉得不合适）。他演出的paris该是的样子－－一个漂亮的没边但纯粹软蛋的家伙。我绝对感受到那种情感，他的无辜，他的是情人不是战士的定位和他的美学角度的美。他“就是”paris。orlando bloom，我向你致敬！

Well I guess here's the deal: If you really want to experience Troy as it
should be, go out and get Fagle's translation and read it for yourself. If you
want to actually see it...might as well wait for the rentals to come out. If
you want to see really hot men go naked (forgot how many times I almost jumped
at the screen seeing Brad Pitt clotheless and[B] Orlando Bloom nakie[/B]), then by
ALL means, do go and watch it. As for the $20 million spent... *sigh* all down
the drain. If you want to see a comedic adaptation of Iliad without being too
offended, then gooo ahead and watch.

虽然希望一部好电影加上一个好开花，不过如果不行，一个好开花也足够我去大屏幕前好好欣赏了，呵呵，还希望把偶们家猪头甩了，自己去发花痴[em00]

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作者: 月月 时间: 2004-5-13 01:12
楼上的，PFPF。

偶英文不过关，哪里是表扬小孩的地方呢？西西，还没看到偶就已经开始傻笑了，咋搞，比夸偶还开心。

作者: 浊酒 时间: 2004-5-13 01:13
orlando bloom, i salute thee!
好激动的表示~~~

看别的站上,也有好多OB FANS打算去看TROY时不和BF或LG一起去,更方便花痴

作者: 月月 时间: 2004-5-13 01:16
看这电影最好一定要甩开臭男人，再加几个臭味相同的色女，8知道上海啥时放映，偶先问下下，有没上海的MM啊？为啥大家全在天子脚下？

作者: mursili 时间: 2004-5-13 01:19
hoho，偶也看过这个(发现偶最近都没干别的事，就把这些都看了），这锅JJ从头海贬了一顿这片子但夸了OB，嗯，应该叫海夸，偶对那个“ridiculously beautiful”的说法印象颇深，啥意思？？

作者: 浊酒 时间: 2004-5-13 01:24
ridiculously beautiful hunk

俺用词典查了一下,是"荒谬的美丽俊男"
汗,不知对错

作者: 月月 时间: 2004-5-13 01:31
"荒谬的美丽俊男"
——偶爱这词儿，倒真把小帕给写全了，我相信，开花一定演得不赖！！

作者: mursili 时间: 2004-5-13 01:31
“荒谬的美丽”，黑线～～，是好话吧？？

作者: 浊酒 时间: 2004-5-13 01:36
把这几个词放那些话中,联系前后语境,俺觉得应是好话,但也可有多重理解
一可理解为PARIS是个性格荒谬的美丽俊男

二俺理解为作者认为开花的PL是PL到了让人觉得"荒谬,不可信"的地步

以上是俺的理解,可能完全不对,俺英文真的很烂

作者: 月月 时间: 2004-5-13 01:39
偶清楚地记得某花痴女记者就是这样形容OB滴，啧啧，一个男人，居然会美到荒谬，8敢想象~

抬眼看到大人的签名：开花修长的脖颈，空灵的笑容，柔软的卷发，果然是，荒谬的美丽。

作者: orchi 时间: 2004-5-13 01:40
nodnod 完全同意楼上的意见，所谓美男只该天上有，人间哪得几回见，见到就要打十年

作者: mursili 时间: 2004-5-13 01:42
nod，精灵一般，不现实的美……神往中……

作者: 浊酒 时间: 2004-5-13 01:46

以下是引用orchi在2004-5-13 1:40:49的发言：
美男只该天上有，人间哪得几回见，见到就要打十年

最绝的最后一句:见到就要打十年
俺又开始多重理解:

正解是"像TROY战争一样,打个十年"
歪解是"见到开花这等美男,不暴打开花他十年--------------真是浪费"

------------流成吉思汗,俺快被暴打了

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作者: 月月 时间: 2004-5-13 01:47

以下是引用orchi在2004-5-13 1:40:49的发言：
nodnod 完全同意楼上的意见，所谓美男只该天上有，人间哪得几回见，见到就要打十年

是滴是滴，说到贻害人间，开花当之无愧，看现在男人女人为他掐得~，真是壮观。

作者: mursili 时间: 2004-5-13 01:48
原来，原来……那个“打十年”是这样理解的啊～～～……

作者: 月月 时间: 2004-5-13 01:51

以下是引用浊酒在2004-5-13 1:46:24的发言：
[quote]以下是引用orchi在2004-5-13 1:40:49的发言：
美男只该天上有，人间哪得几回见，见到就要打十年

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别呀，看把小孩吓得，乖乖到姐姐这来，偶罩你十年。

作者: 浊酒 时间: 2004-5-13 01:51
那当然,越爱越虐是俺的一向作风
谁,谁扔俺一脑袋瓜子烂蕃茄?!

作者: orchi 时间: 2004-5-13 01:53
我说浊酒，如果这样的美男站在你面前（这个这个，他穿了多少我们先不讨论），你还能有暴打的念头偶就pf你，估计你是想着不暴keng一通才浪费吧。。。。。。

作者: 月月 时间: 2004-5-13 01:54
浊大说得吓人罢了，要真把开花扔你面前，你舍得虐他？恐怕自己就先晕了[em00][em00]

作者: 浊酒 时间: 2004-5-13 01:57
汗,楼上两位秦耐滴,放心,俺晕是绝对不晕,那多浪费时间啊

俺肯定抓紧宝贵时间,发扬一不怕死二不怕苦,有条件要上没有条件创造条件也要上的革命精神,不惜抛头颅洒热血,对着某开花,占便宜没够一通个够本

汗,表行了,女狼本色暴露,会吓坏小MM

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作者: 月月 时间: 2004-5-13 02:07
浊大，咳咳，克制啊克制，没吓坏小MM,先吓坏小开花，开花可不是一般的害羞啊，偶就稀饭他害羞的小样子~

作者: zq 时间: 2004-5-13 06:38
到那时候还轮得到浊酒大吗，一帮色女早把ORLI尸了！[em06][em06][em06][em11][em11][em11]哦哦，不好不好，偶这样子才真的回吓坏小MM门，赶快逃吧！

作者: linita 时间: 2004-5-13 10:32

以下是引用orchi在2004-5-13 1:03:09的发言：

[B]I must say, however, BRAVO ORLANDO BLOOM. Although I did not appreciate the
Legolas revival in the end (which I can forgive since it was part of the
story... however it just didn't fit), ...........
虽然我不喜欢（影片最后）他最后逃脱了,..........

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楼主,这句话的意思好象不是这样子吧,那个小MM说她不欣赏影片最后的Paris表现的如同Legolas复活一样,就是说不喜欢他变的勇敢,和原著里懦弱的家伙不相符了.

作者: orchi 时间: 2004-5-13 12:02
啊，是哦，该打，早上还没睡醒翻的，kick myself

作者: bellelai 时间: 2004-5-13 17:12

以下是引用zq在2004-5-13 6:38:01的发言：
到那时候还轮得到浊酒大吗，一帮色女早把ORLI尸了！[em06][em06][em06][em11][em11][em11]哦哦，不好不好，偶这样子才真的回吓坏小MM门，赶快逃吧！

暴，偶看到有个尸字那句，就直接看成了：“一帮色女早把orli鞭尸了”……偶BT……今天下午下狂雨，一睡醒上来看到这个花痴到不行的贴，大喜！

浊大你理解的没错，那就是美丽到荒谬或者难以置信的意思！！不过那个词老外用很多，不算特别有新意的赞美了，呵呵……

PS：广州的MM想一起去看戏可以找偶

作者: lovemode 时间: 2004-5-13 18:33
剛看到的影評

http://www.ucsdguardian.org/cgi-bin/hiatus?art=2004_05_13_01

Orlando Bloom is fine in the expanded-just-for-him role of Paris, but it seems like the writers didn’t know exactly how to handle him. Was he courageous or passionate or a lothario or what? He has a little bit of everything, and he has inner-conflict, which is nice, but how were the choices that he inevitably made influenced by his entire journey? It is difficult to buy the character.

作者: lovemode 时间: 2004-5-13 19:15
再一篇

http://romanticmovies.about.com/cs/troy/a/troy051304.htm

Orlando Bloom once again oozes animal magnetism. Even while playing the coward, Bloom is compelling and hard to dislike.

作者: flyfrog 时间: 2004-5-13 20:14
26楼的没太看懂。喜欢27楼的那个评论^_^

作者: 浊酒 时间: 2004-5-13 21:17
26楼的,俺也没看太明白,不过看前半句像好话,后面就不明所发啦

Orlando Bloom once again oozes animal magnetism. Even while playing the coward, Bloom is compelling and hard to dislike.
这句好,俺喜欢

今天看到有个MM对TROY的看后想法
她一上来说:OB不够水准
往后一看,她通篇批评的不是OB,是PARIS这个人物如何如何招她反感
俺只能说:这位MM看得太投入,或说OB确实演出了PARIS应有的性格,让她把演员和角色视为一体,认为OB就是PARIS,就是那个让她反感的无担当懦弱男

其实,有些习惯OB演招人喜欢的英雄角色的MM,是受不了PARIS这个人物的
但如果开花把PARIS演成了个人见人爱的英雄,俺们就真要哭了

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作者: lovemode 时间: 2004-5-13 21:37
再一篇
看來不有少評論家都認為劇本寫砸了，尤其是對PARIS以及PARIS和HELEN間戀情的描寫

再來，這已經是我第Ｎ次看到評論說：Orlando Bloom was too damn pretty for the role
搞不懂，漂亮也有錯嗎？[em05][em05][em05]

http://www.eclipsemagazine.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=967

Orlando Bloom, why was he in this? He was too damn pretty for the role, and Paris really didn't do anything to help the situation. In order for this film to work, the audience needs to feel connected to Paris and Helen, and I didn't buy their romance, and worse, I kept waiting for Paris to do something, anything, to prove his worth or love. He's the one who started the entire mess, and all he did was sit back, whine, and let Hector fight the battle. Again, I found it hard to care about the conflict when the principles didn't care themselves. Between Achilles and Paris, there's nothing tangible to really sink your teeth into.

作者: 浊酒 时间: 2004-5-13 22:04
orlando bloom, why was he in this? he was too damn pretty for the role, and paris really didn't do anything to help the situation. in order for this film to work, the audience needs to feel connected to paris and helen, and i didn't buy their romance, and worse, i kept waiting for paris to do something, anything, to prove his worth or love. he's the one who started the entire mess, and all he did was sit back, whine, and let hector fight the battle. again, i found it hard to care about the conflict when the principles didn't care themselves. between achilles and paris, there's nothing tangible to really sink your teeth into.

俺觉得,从这些话上看,这个人并没指出OB哪里演得不好,他其实是对PARIS的无所作为而反感,表过,PARIS本就是这种个性,俺很奇怪,这位作者是不是一点都没听说过伊利亚特或希腊神话?
如果以PARIS的无所作为没有担当来作为批评OB的理由,不但无力,反而恰恰说明OB演得到位

至于OB长得好看,汗,这也成错了,大哥们,在说别人长得好有错的时候,还是先研究一下自己为什么长得不是太过好看~~

作者: 浊酒 时间: 2004-5-13 22:09
From Wafflemovies.com

Bloom, like anything named Paris, is perfectly wimpy with vanity and impulse exceeding honor and integrity (Don't send me any angry e-mails. I'm not saying he's a wimp, he just plays the part well. He's an actor doing a good job).

还有这个,这比较客观,至少把PARIS和OB分开看了

表过,OB能把PARIS这个人物演得让观众认为开花自己也是这"熊样",倒真是表现不错啦
俺越看各式评论越期待看开花的表演

与时的评论完全不同,虽然对TROY中OB的表现的争论很大,但俺敢肯定,开花这次在TROY中的表现,绝对有明显的长进~~~

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作者: sirius 时间: 2004-5-13 22:13
汗，会不会是有的老外也不了解故事背景，被电影公司的宣传迷惑了，以为paris是影片男主角，事先就想象成高大全的形象了呢？那种情况下难免会很失望的。

作者: 浊酒 时间: 2004-5-13 22:22
笑,老外们倒不会认为OB演的PARIS是TROY的第一男主角,因为BRAD PITT是第一男主角,所受的关注仍是最多的

表过,不管老外还是国内的,不知道希腊神话不知道伊利亚特不知道PARIS就是个"窝囊废物点心"的,肯定大有人在

作者: flyfrog 时间: 2004-5-13 22:36
如果美丽也是一种罪，我宁愿你罪恶滔天...........

说到角色和演员，记得魔戒花絮里演三寸舌的那个演员说了这么一件事：一次PJ过来看他的表演，看了一阵就走了，走的时候还说：“太恶心了。”这个演员是以一种粉得意的心态说这件事的，因为他觉得这说明他把那个家伙演的很传神。事实也是如此。

作者: 浊酒 时间: 2004-5-13 22:48
表过,俺看有一些评论倒是说PARIS虽然让开花演得到位,但因为开花自身的魅力,还是让人觉得他很有看头

以开花的外形,如果哪天也想像演三寸舌的那位演员一样,演反角演得让导演都夸"恶心",先不说演得怎样,首先得毁一下容

作者: daniel 时间: 2004-5-13 22:50
影评都看腻歪了，现在偶看到review两字就有头晕的感觉，说好的有说差的有，反正是各说各的理，who知道那些写影评的都是什么人啊，偶现在算明白了，在看一部电影前，千万不要看review啊，因为自己的思想会被这些reviews带着走，完全失去自我判断~

偶一同事，从来不认识什么明星，也不知何为影评，她跟我说：某天她去看了《致命报酬》~偶冷笑正要告诉她此乃烂片一部，尚未出口见她一派天真地说：挺好看的~~~~当时偶就傻了，偶感觉到她的欣赏发自内心的，她不知道那片子是谁演的谁导的评论很烂票房很差，可是她却享受到了看电影的乐趣，于是我羡慕，我虽然不会去看致命报酬~小本演得电影偶没胃口，但是偶发现知道的太多，确实影响观影的心情，若是以平常心去看之，一片轻松的去看电影反而能享受到电影带来的娱乐~~~

作者: flyfrog 时间: 2004-5-13 23:16
评论这件事是很个人的，每个人的经历都不一样所以感受也不会一样。连魔戒都有的是人骂，IMDb上LOTR有两千多人给投了1分（最低分）。

作者: bellelai 时间: 2004-5-13 23:54

以下是引用daniel在2004-5-13 22:50:44的发言：
影评都看腻歪了，现在偶看到review两字就有头晕的感觉，说好的有说差的有，反正是各说各的理，who知道那些写影评的都是什么人啊，偶现在算明白了，在看一部电影前，千万不要看review啊，因为自己的思想会被这些reviews带着走，完全失去自我判断~

偶一同事，从来不认识什么明星，也不知何为影评，她跟我说：某天她去看了《致命报酬》~偶冷笑正要告诉她此乃烂片一部，尚未出口见她一派天真地说：挺好看的~~~~当时偶就傻了，偶感觉到她的欣赏发自内心的，她不知道那片子是谁演的谁导的评论很烂票房很差，可是她却享受到了看电影的乐趣，于是我羡慕，我虽然不会去看致命报酬~小本演得电影偶没胃口，但是偶发现知道的太多，确实影响观影的心情，若是以平常心去看之，一片轻松的去看电影反而能享受到电影带来的娱乐~~~

同意大人的说法。我并不知道写影评的人都是在什么样的状态下写这些review的，有些人可能根本就没有认真思索，有些人可能看片之前就抱着不同的主观态度。先有一个想法再用影片去证明自己的想法并不是什么难事。TROY怎么样究竟还是要自己看过才知道。

至于对开花演技的评价，所有的影评都只能作为一种借鉴吧。但演技好坏是不能得到证明的，不管是通过评论还是奖项。

作者: 月月 时间: 2004-5-13 23:55
偶到这个坛子后被各位狂挖的大人早锻炼成了大象麻木神经，只要能看到开花，偶的嘴巴保证一路歪到结束，去他的评论吧，好好享受电影，享受开花才是正理！

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