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发表于 2004-5-5 16:34:16 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |倒序浏览 |阅读模式

今天出了很多Troy的review,但警告先,都不是太好的话,看的偶乱不爽的,look:

首先是滚石和路透社两家大的媒体文章,肯定了一些地方,但总的观点是否定的,偶们开花有点小被忽略,不过米关系,表在意,通常主流媒体的态度绝对不会影响票房,偶承认偶市侩……

http://rollingstone.com/reviews/movie/review.asp?mid=2048635

滚石给了三颗星,主要是说剧本很白烂,Pitt的角色很可笑,演的也平平(当然看起来还是很养眼),这片子得奖是没戏,就是一大苞米花电影,但用来在暑期打发时间还是不错滴……

“Bloom bravely risks his "It boy" career as a Lord of the Rings hero by correctly playing Paris as a callow weakling whose great love for Helen (Kruger, a German model, is beautiful but bland) has the depth of a wading pool. One of the film's highlights has Paris foolishly taking on Menelaus in hand-to-hand combat and then crawling to safety at the feet of his older brother, Hector (Eric Bana). Public shame adds character to the young prince, and Bloom acutely registers the change. ”

http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=5039915

然后是路透社的好莱坞报告,内容主要是说Peterson太关注战争场面,刻画人物无力,但是战争场面“好像橄榄球比赛,可能华纳的veido-game卖的不好”。Pitt的角色不招人待见,Hector也不够有魄力,演员演的都不错,但剧本刻画人物缺乏深度,几个主角都是。音乐和布景也还不错,但是米人知道troy什么样子,考古考的是好莱坞老片子……

“The legendary war circa 1200 B.C. ignites, of course, when Paris (a much too pretty Orlando Bloom), Prince of Troy and Hector's younger brother, steals away Helen (Diane Kruger), the much younger wife of Menelaus (Brendan Gleeson)……”



最让偶郁闷的是这两篇fans报告,嗯,不是太乐观,偶就不翻译了,实在是不忍心……当然作者都是男(米授权,24小时后删除):

http://www.aintitcool.com/display.cgi?id=17476

Saw Troy. The first action scene, where we get introduced to a insubordinate Achilles, sets the mood for his relationship with the king he works for (but does not follow), played greatly by Brian Cox.

But then there's Orlando Bloom. He's gay, he has to be. The editing makes him seem like a buffoon, the script tries to make him Legolas, and everything in between makes him a wannabe hero that ends up coming up like a pussy.

Eric Bana as Hector helps carry the movie, a man pledging himself to his nation because of his brother's stupidity and foolishness, and driven to be honorable in his pursuits even in a time of war.

Now, the historical accuracy is shotty at best. Menalaeus and Paris duel, Agamemnon falls at Troy, etc.

But those first two action scenes, of Achilees' brutal slaughter of the opposing army's champion, and him charging the beaches of Troy (alone with only his Myrmidons, seperate from the other Greeks) was breathtaking ... until later the shots copy LOTR a bit too much and the action gets trite.

The music is uninspiring, and unfortunately Sean Bean (as Odysseus) plays a lackluster performance as Achilles' only true friend.

So yeah ... see this movie for the action, but if you leave after the Greeks have captured the Trojan beach-head, you've seen the best action, and the best part of the film.

A few end notes: too many almost-nudity shots of women ... you give us blood, but no breasts, Wolgang! Secondly, WAY too many almost-REALLY-BAD shots of Orlando Bloom and Brad Pitt in the buff ... of course, that's what's helping sell this movie, and the movie was a bit too long ... almost 2:45.

And to end, a quote that sent the theater up in laughs:
Menaleus walks into Helen's room to find her missing. A guard comes in with a witness.
M: Where's Helen?
G: She left with the Trojans.
I hope they weren't trying to be funny ... I hope.

第二篇:

First off, the acting was splendid! Brian Cox truly captures the dark, greedy portrayal of Agamemnon from Homer抯 The Iliad while Peter O扵oole comes across as the very noble and charismatic Priam, King of Troy. Brad Pitt and Eric Bana truly steal the show though as Achilles and Hector respectively and come across as completely believable and worthy actors to fill the shoes of such literary legends. I was rather doubtful at first when I heard Eric Bana was cast as Hector since I haven抰 been too impressed with his previous track record. I抳e never seen Chopper, his role in Black Hawk Down was nothing spectacular, and The Hulk was just god awful. In fact, I was almost waiting for him to turn dark green, burst out of his armor, and just toss the Trojan Horse into the Aegean Sea while screaming 揌ECTOR SMASH!?However, in Troy, Bana puts forth an excellent effort and portrays a very commanding prince of Troy and has some excellent dialogue. Brad Pitt also does an amazing job with his lines and while he didn抰 have to hide an accent such as Brian Cox and Sean Bean, it was still kinda funny to hear Pitt talking in his normal voice. Speaking of Sean Bean, who plays Odysseus, I really wish they fleshed out his character more. Odysseus in The Iliad was a vital character for winning the war and rather than portray him in battle instead we just see him conversing with Pitt from time-to-time and plotting the idea of building the Trojan Horse.

Seems like I covered all the major actors but wait because I抦 still forgetting someone! Who could it be you ask? Why Orlando Bloom of course! Orlando Bloom is what ruins this film at times. He was fine in films such as Lord of The Rings and Pirates of the Caribbean where he barely has to read a script but this time they gave him a ton of pages to read. The problem is that he overacts every word that comes out of his mouth and constantly makes absurd facial expressions. There抯 a difference between only having to say 揃lood has been spilled this fortnight?in LOTR and going into a lustful speech on why he wanted Helen. Orlando in Troy comes across as completely pathetic and worthless and honestly if they wanted someone who could be viewed in such a light then they should抳e cast Tobey Maguire as Paris. Too bad Tobey doesn抰 have the pretty-boy looks to fill those shoes and we抮e stuck watching Orlando in constant states of over exaggeration? ?

When it comes to the musical score, it抯 a complete disappointment as well. It sounds like they re-hashed the soundtrack from Stargate, Gladiator, and other such films set in the ancient world and just mixed them altogether. And while these songs fit well in the aforementioned films, in Troy they stand out as annoying and barely fit the scenes they抮e used in. I抳e read there were some issues regarding musical rights to the film prior to acquiring James Horner as the composer so I抦 unsure as to whose fault it is for the soundtrack issues. Personally I抎 not blame Horner since he抯 had a good track record in the past and composed epic soundtracks before such as those for Braveheart, Glory, etc. ?

The sets are simply amazing and while not on the level of say Lord of The Rings, when one sees all of Troy they truly get a sense of how huge the city was. I was especially impressed with the Greek ships and the way the Trojan Horse is portrayed in the film. So many times has it been thought of as this finely crafted mammoth horse, perfectly carved and everything. In Troy the Trojan Horse looks like a bunch of scrap wood nailed/tied! together and when the soldiers climb out of it, the horse falls to pieces rather than possess a special 搕rap-door?for them to climb out of. ?

I wouldn抰 call Troy a horrible movie or even a bad movie because it was a good movie for what it was. However, when it comes to films of an epic scale, Troy cannot even be ranked on the same level as s! uch greats as Braveheart, Spartacus, Lord of The Rings, or even The Last Samurai. I find this rather saddening since the tale of the Trojan War is known as being one of the most epic battles in the history of literary works. I was expecting a lot more and was given a sub-par telling of epic warfare. Granted I would like to see it again to have another look at it, both in terms of film-making and for the sake of seeing it through a proper lens, even Magoo-vision is unable to cloud Orlando抯 horrible acting which does rub a negative effect onto the movie as a whole. Also, I probably won抰 be the only person to say this but at least one of the first to say that Wolfgang Peterson was NOT the right director cut out for such a film. To go from films such as Air Force One, Outbreak, and The Perfect Storm and suddenly expect to re-tell one of the greatest battles in history just didn抰 seem like a job that should抳e went to Peterson?Hopefully some other people will write in regarding ! the advanced screenings because I know I left some parts out of my review and I抎 love to hear what other people though. Hopefully the forthcoming adaptation of King Arthur from director Antoine Fuqua will be a worthy film in regards to epic storytelling and warfare? ?

Hope you enjoyed my look at Troy and if you use this piece then please call me 揗usashi.?Take care and keep up the good work!





















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发表于 2004-5-5 16:46:25 | 只看该作者
第一篇是那个男影迷写的吧??

用词有点恶毒,怀疑他是否带着平常心去看电影评电影
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 楼主| 发表于 2004-5-5 16:46:49 | 只看该作者
还有OBM上的两条OB消息,可不可靠很难说,但满有意思的,一块搬上来了……

05/05/04, from SF Gate

British movie star Orlando Bloom spent the first two weeks of shooting "Troy" working out like a madman after realizing he looks like a skinny weakling next to co-stars Brad Pitt and Eric Bana. The two action men spent months getting in shape before cameras started rolling on the movie, whereas Bloom felt sure his slight frame would enable him to pull off an authentic Paris. But, after taking one look at Bana -- his brother Hector in the film -- Bloom knew it was time to hit the weights. Director Wolfgang Peterson recalls, "Orlando got so jealous when he saw Eric's body. He was shocked on the first day of shooting when Eric put his arm around him before the big fight. "Orlando saw his body on the little video and said, 'Oh my God, how come I look like that?' "So he immediately got a personal trainer to do whatever he could to put some muscle on!


Bloom Blushes for 'Troy'

05/05/04, from Zap 2 It

As "Troy" heads into theaters, Diane Kruger, the actress who beat out a number of others for the role of legendary beauty Helen -- the face that launched 1,000 ships and caused a war -- isn't concerned with what audiences will say when they see the film. Yet, the former model says she was intimated when she shot her love scene in the film with Orlando Bloom -- and she wasn't the only one. "We had just met, and he had never done a love scene; he was so red," she laughs. "I'd never done anything like that either." The scene in question opens with a fully-dressed Paris (Bloom) entering Helen's bedroom. Within a few minutes, the Queen of Sparta undresses in front of her lover, the Prince of Troy. "He's in full armor and I get up and take those pins out and the entire dress falls down. You don't see [my body] in the movie, but it's a little weird to be like, 'Look at me' and he's really looking at me -- and 50 technicians. It's like, 'Be my guest,' you know?"



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 楼主| 发表于 2004-5-5 16:50:01 | 只看该作者
第一个好像是个女的吧,偶又仔细看了一下,好像也不是太确定了,第二篇是个男的写的没错
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发表于 2004-5-5 16:54:37 | 只看该作者
嘿嘿,那阵子传OB开始吃肉,就有MM猜测说开花是不是受了谁的刺激要练块,看来这BANA哥给的刺激是大大的,笑~~~

开花再练还是那小身板,看TIME那张图,PITT和BANA把开花那小子的肌肉都显没了,PITT的那大膀子粗的,开花汗颜死。

想看红苹果般害羞的开花
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发表于 2004-5-5 16:58:55 | 只看该作者
以下是引用mursili在2004-5-5 16:50:01的发言:
第一个好像是个女的吧,偶又仔细看了一下,好像也不是太确定了,第二篇是个男的写的没错


迷惑了,那gay那buffoon还有pussy用的不是一般的BT啊。而且又是力捧BANA的主。。。

这又是试映?
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发表于 2004-5-5 17:20:20 | 只看该作者
敢情第一个是男的.....从看到用gay和buffoon起...汗死...BANA GG偶现在素乱喜欢的,可是这样说某开花也太.....
不过偶没关系.....老早就在想开花能把偶最讨厌的人物演出来就算很好了~~~现在反而更期待他的时装剧.....

PS:楼上的某人......晚上开MSN的话,偶给你看昨天聚会的照片~~~
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 楼主| 发表于 2004-5-5 17:20:45 | 只看该作者
以下是引用Joe在2004-5-5 16:58:55的发言:
[quote]以下是引用mursili在2004-5-5 16:50:01的发言:
第一个好像是个女的吧,偶又仔细看了一下,好像也不是太确定了,第二篇是个男的写的没错


迷惑了,那gay那buffoon还有pussy用的不是一般的BT啊。而且又是力捧BANA的主。。。

这又是试映?
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应该是试映,他们提前在印第安纳大学放了一场……偶看串了,以为介绍时候说它是女,原来米说……偶第一次看是因为它不满意太多裸mm镜头更觉得是女的,结果仔细看它好像也不喜欢裸男镜头……还真是难伺候……






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发表于 2004-5-5 17:24:27 | 只看该作者
我怀疑这哥们是不是一“烂柿饼”啊?

横竖就是不待见这电影了,不过要是女人对开花这么恶语相向,我就得怀疑这丫头是不是正常的了。当然了不排除她真的讨厌开花。。。


PS:最小!腐败的最小又聚会了。。。照片要看,我现在就上||||||||
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发表于 2004-5-5 17:38:04 | 只看该作者
那两篇影迷评论我不想当回事。
都是男的写的。
KA—BLOOM上说那里是“男孩儿俱乐部”,还都是些小心眼男人。《海盗》上映前他们一样贬小奥来着,结果奥兰多后来反而更红了。
滚石对奥兰多的评论是肯定的,我选择相信这一个。
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 楼主| 发表于 2004-5-5 18:23:19 | 只看该作者
有关裙子底下穿什么的问题,偶在ka-bloom上找到这个:

QUOTE  

Brad Pitt tapes private parts

Hollywood star Brad Pitt had to tape his private parts with sticking tape to his body, during the filming of Troy. This so "it" wouldn't dangle from under his leather tunic. Fellow-gladiators Orlando Bloom and Eric Bana went through the same daily tape-treatment.
Pitt: "The skirt took us a few weeks to getting used to. A kilt at least has some length, but the Greek reallly had a thing for mini. And they fought with their dangly bits hanging loose"

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发表于 2004-5-5 19:58:14 | 只看该作者
呵呵呵,这哥们愤怒得连GAY这词都用上了
这不叫"影评","看后感"都够不上边,这整个是美国一欲求不满没MM看得上的处于后青春期天天呈叫春的猫状的小男生的发泄梦臆

这种看后感,当搞笑看很不错,倒不叫人郁闷
因为他骂的那些话一句 也骂不到点上

如果他说得出OB表演的硬伤在哪里,倒还有点分量,而眼下,他这通篇的不满一纸的酸词,不得不让俺相信-------他身边的MM没几个看得上他这个外在可能不济内存绝对低劣的发育不完全之类人长相小动物

这哥们,哪凉快哪呆着去吧
省得让欲火焚了身






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发表于 2004-5-5 20:04:10 | 只看该作者
笑,OB看到BANA锅锅的身材受刺激
汗,小子你认命吧~~~你这辈子,除非铁了心在家饱食终日无所事事吃饱了睡饱了吃个两三年,才有可能变的胖一些

关于对TROY整部电影,外国媒体方面的评价,俺倒不意外.或说,多多少少与俺的预料相差不远
不为别的,只为TROY的导演,他以前的作品,实在不符俺的口味,而且,俺认为这位导演不可能在TROY一部电影上有大的让人刮目相看的飞跃

表过,作为一部大腿多多的电影,俺觉得,它算不算经典不打紧,真正要紧的是它能给俺这BT色女以今年最赏心悦目的视觉感受

对俺这个极度OB花痴症患者来说,任其它电影再成功,都比不过开花的脸孔一现

而关于他们几个在短又紧戏服内穿的那个内衣问题,俺今白天和几BT好友FB时,讨论过,其中一人之猜测和此八卦传闻相似
俺在此表示葱白








[此贴子已经被作者于2004-5-5 20:10:23编辑过]

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发表于 2004-5-5 20:17:04 | 只看该作者
OB这小子,难怪要增重呢。
唉,你说这是什么事儿啊,多少人拼命减肥也减不下来比如我,这家伙却是想胖都胖不起来。

Troy的评论,嗯,鉴于之前我已经调低了期望值,所以也不出乎意料了。爆米花就爆米花吧,能成为好的爆米花也不错。经典还是期待天国把,Ridley Scott伯伯倒颇有几部经典作品。
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发表于 2004-5-5 20:24:17 | 只看该作者
都担心着TROY呢,下午看的TIME的文章还一顿票房分析,说得真是不大乐观,关键看首周和第二周的票房了,第二周要是被拿下基本就没啥戏了
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